Editing Talk:Liberal Socialism (section)

== '''Constructive Criticism: Many subideologies of Vaushism might be a bit of a stretch or just objectively untrue''' ==
 
<b>Despite not attending in the vote, I absolutely am glad to hear Vaushism (and other youtbers) are allowed on again, with that being said, (especially factoring in how much of a battle-field youtuber ideologies were before) I still believe that my previous point that regarding youtuber ideologies in question is still very much a valid one, as such seem to reflect the biases of the editors who want to add their favorite (or least favorite) creators and ignore various factors such as context, optics and authenticity (or lackthereof). For instance, many of the ideologies listed can be seen as debatable at best or regarded as a stretch even when taking his words at face value. anarcho-syndicalism, menslib, indigenism, veganism, are all great examples of this as advocates of those ideologies tend to frequently have serious beef with him or at least regard him as not representing their interests, and making it seem like he truly is an authentic ansynd or an indegenism advocate without any possibility for considering the optics, nuance, or debatability of his proclaimed positions often gives off the impression that an acurate, relatively un-biased representation of his beliefs isn't the point of polcompball when it absolutely is. -AnAnonBoi</b>
*Most of those examples you listed have citations sourcing them. If you want them removed, you should provide adequate citations which contradict them. - [[User:Rigourdigga|Rigourdigga]]
**<b>The thing about that is using that same logic I have brought nuance to ideologies like anarchism since he has actively starting to refrain from identifying himself as such and was actively disregarded from a lot of the internet anarchist movement for his percived heavily watered down beliefs of the ideology. However that too was removed because from what I remember as a couple users who were fans and anarchists added it back anyway... The same also can apply to indigenism as I remember discussing this before that he was pretty clearly not for landback and especially not indigenism, with even the current citation corraborating that to some extent (he doesn't actually believe in landback as is well understood by activists, just "respecting treaties" something which isn't actually what landback even is, with his stance already being the generic milquetoast opinion that most people already believe in). However whenever that's included, people (typically more radical fans) have tended to change the ideologies of vaushism to make him look a certain way, usually more radical or progressive than he actually is and remove ones that don't make him look like such, while this position of Vaush is so well known in this community that it's specifically why the "indigenous nazism" page on polcomp anarchy includes him as one of their rivals saying <big>"YOU MADE ME"</big> because it was a joke made by the people from that space who well understood Vaush's positions, and that Vaush has regarded indigenous and left-wing minority nationalism, especially but not exclusively based on "taking back" nations like america to be akin with fascism or fascist-adjacent politics, despite that also being the essense of the ideology of what indigenism is.</b> 
 
<b>TLDR: I remember I have before, and that didn't stop it from my edits being undone by fans who didn't like it even when the facts were clearly against them</b>

*<b>Update Regarding Indigenism Ctation: Since I kinda just don't want to act like I have no proof, here's just ONE example after 10 seconds of googling just so we can't pretend that he actually is pro-indigenism. He obviously isn't, at best the citation listed only really makes him pro "respecting treaties" and pro-"seeking economic empowerment to historically disadvantaged groups" which is pretty already mainstream and certainly isn't radical enough to be akin to akin to indigenism. while the evidence I give to disprove such a claim is already pretty damning evidence that he's explictly not-alligned with or even outright hostile against indigenism or even landback at least as it's defined generally and within polcompball (that being anti-imperialist nationalism and taking back america) https://x.com/lisaquestions/status/1296227083383795712 - I don't want to agree or disagree with anything the twitter user says since I don't really want to weigh in on petty twitter callouts but the citation is damning enough regardless to basically debunk the previous citation undoubtedly all from just 10 seconds of googling, though I am certainly willing to collect much more citations if it's not already clear enough already what his genuine positions are.</b>